"LET IT BE, the hell I will"

Updated: Sep 27, 2020

As another day is here the one thing that does not change is eBay and their messages and no way to respond to them. They say to go to the site and click help and contact but when I do this is what happens:

This is constant, it is an everyday thing. You can not get ahold of eBay because eBay does not want you too.

In the photo's above, did anyone see any Barbie? How about 9 basketball cards Zion Williamson? Nothing you see in the photo's above were shipped out by me but this is what I get returned.

Just to double check, nobody saw Barbie, Zion, How about a Blue Jasson Dominguez auto? Let's make sure because according to eBay they are there, 9 Barbie plus. That is the extent of the returns, all of it. eBay has refunded monies where is the product?

What you see here is the box according to eBay that a Wilma & Betty 12 " Barbie Set was returned in, this 6" x 8" empty envelope.

Many say I am starting a fight that I can not win and that I have no chance at all. I do recall a couple of similar "no chance at all" fights. There was "Buster Douglas vs. Tyson", there was "Tyson vs. Spinx", "Rocky vs. Apollo Creed" (fight 2), Clay (Ali) vs. Liston", "Fury vs. Klitschko", "Tarver vs. Roy Jones Jr." "Pacquiao vs. De La Hoya", "Ali KO's Foreman", and my personal favorite "David vs. Goliath".

My father also had these saying's, "It is better to shoot and miss than to not shoot at all", "If wishes were horses beggars would ride", and ex MLB player and manager" Leo

Durocher didn't get the nickname Leo the Lip by keeping his mouth shut", and my favorite, " do not let your mouth write a check your butt can not cash".

If my dad were here today he would say something like, "eBay is no different than the school bully, although punching eBay in the mouth will do nothing, you have a choice, either stand your ground or turn tail and run" and throw a little something in like " I did not raise a son who runs from a fight, I raised a son who is going to give some lumps and get some lumps but you will stand your ground regardless." It would not be the first time I got a lump or two but for every lump I get I am going to give four back.

eBay is the person which I described paragraph one of my first blog. eBay is that same guy tat smiles to your face, and walks away and stabs you in the back. eBay is the school bully who terrorizes kids on the bus and takes the lunch money from those that are weaker or just out and out afraid. eBay thinks it is above the law and can do what it wants when it wants. As you see below a post from 2015. Here it is 5 years later and eBay continues to do the same thing and how they treat the sellers.

jmb3384 Terrible eBay decisions, class action lawsuit.

11-11-2015 04:27:53 PM

Buyer scammed me through the buyer protection program. The buyer never even contacted me prior about a return, just filed the request. I saw that he attached a picture of a completely different item and said he didn't receive what he purchased which was complete b.s. I sold one item that month and that was it. I've never seen the returned item before. I reported the buyer numerous times, tried to contact him, contacted ebay by phone over a half dozen times and even emailed them. I got 1 response from the buyer saying he returned what he received. LIES. Ebay made the terrible decision and sided with him based on evidence and that fact that it was his first occurrence of this type of act. Really? WHAT EVIDENCE? More like an automated system. I've been a member since 2003 and have 100 positive feedback. I did everything that I was supposed to do and told to do. Now I'm out my item and a bunch of money and then some. Ebay wants me to reimburse them for reimbursing the buyer or I will get suspended. Or ebay could reverse this ridiculous reimbursement fee and continue to make money off of me when I buy and sell, even though My item was stolen and ebay allowed it. Still no response from the buyer at any point or ebay really. So I may be joining the big class action lawsuit that's currently in order Through Franklin. Should I join it or start my own is the question? Ebay wants to treat sellers like garbage then you get the same in return.

In 2012 the question arouse "Does eBay Violate Antitrust Laws by Forcing Sellers to use PayPal:

joys and pitfalls of selling online .Mon Jan 9 2012 09:11:04

Does eBay Violate Antitrust Laws by Forcing Sellers to Use PayPal

By: Ina Steiner

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According to allegations in the antitrust Smith v eBay lawsuit, "While eBay lists purported alternative payment methods, eBay has through its intentional action made it so PayPal is the only viable option for sellers." There are also two other lawsuits against PayPal over antitrust issues - so what's going on? eBay sellers claim they are forced to pay an additional 3% commission fee plus 30 cents per transaction because eBay forces them to use its PayPal online payment service and have banned other forms of payment. (See today's Newsflash story for more details.) Smith's lawsuit summarizes eBay's actions that increasingly limited sellers ability to accept any service other than PayPal: - eBay's 2005 acquisition of Verisign - EcommerceBytes news story; - eBay's 2006 ban on Google Checkout - EcommerceBytes news story; - eBay's 2007 elimination of buyer protection for non-PayPal transactions - EcommerceBytes news story; - eBay's 2008 ban on checks, money orders and any other non-electronic payment method - EcommerceBytes news story; - eBay's 2008 acquisition of Bill Me Later - EcommerceBytes news story. One thing that is a bit puzzling in the judge's ruling last week (in which he granted in part and denied in part eBay's motion to dismiss) is this statement: "the Court concludes that Plaintiffs have failed to allege facts showing that the alleged tie caused harm to competitors in the tied product market. Because Plaintiffs may be able to allege such facts, the Court shall grant them one final opportunity to amend." Not being a lawyer, I can only surmise that this means the plaintiffs did not show how PayPal competitors have been hurt by these policies. But the plaintiffs clearly mention eBay's ban on Google Checkout - it seems obvious to me this greatly harmed Google! (Google even submitted a complaint to the Australian government when eBay Australia tried to go PayPal-only.) It also seems obvious that eBay's policy of not extending buyer protection to the few overseas payment methods does allow on its site hurts those providers. Without going back and reading the three lawsuits again, I believe the plaintiffs may have forgotten one of the harms that eBay's Accepted Payments policy has on their business: loss of sales from buyers who don't have or won't use PayPal. In September 2008, I interviewed syndicated columnist and antiques expert Harry Rinker (who had hosted a television show).  "I will be damned to hell if I am going to allow eBay to dictate how I should pay for my purchases," he had written in his column. "My checks are good, none bounced. I am taking my business elsewhere." While antiques shoppers have several alternatives to eBay - Ruby Lane, TIAS and UK auction site, for example, there clearly is no alternative to eBay available to small sellers that get them the volume of sales that eBay does. Over the past 5 years or so, have you been impacted by eBay's Accepted Payments policy? And is this a matter for the courts? And can you think of a legal argument against eBay's policy of collecting fees on shipping costs.

What very few know, myself one of them, eBay purchased PayPal in 2002 and parted ways in 2015 becoming separate public companies although PayPal bows in the presence of Lord eBay and does what eBay tells them to do

Everything you need to know about eBay and PayPal’s split — and how it impacts Amazon

In just a couple of weeks, eBay and PayPal will no longer be bound together at the hip, ending a 13-year corporate marriage. The plan was originally announced last year, and last week, the company said the separation will occur later this month, leading many to ask questions: How will eBay shareholders be compensated, and how will the two companies operate independently going forward? EBay and PayPal have been diligently keeping the public informed over the past few months, with many updates along the way. Here’s a handy guide to what’s happening. John Donahoe Why are the two companies breaking up? In a release on Friday, John Donahoe, president and CEO of eBay, said it no longer made economic sense for the two to be tied together. “eBay and PayPal are two great, special businesses,” he said. “As separate, independent companies, eBay, led by Devin Wenig, and PayPal, led by Dan Schulman, will each have a sharper focus and greater flexibility to pursue future success in their respective global commerce and payments markets. I am confident that eBay and PayPal each have the right leadership team, strategy, structure and operational discipline to create sustainable, long-term value for stockholders and deliver great opportunities and experiences for customers worldwide.” Was shareholder activist Carl Icahn behind this break up? Technically, no. A year ago, he waged a campaign, advocating for the two entities to split up, but eBay’s management and board was staunchly against it. In a recent message, eBay’s board said they had a change of heart in September when they decided to separate the businesses because of the rapidly changing landscape in both commerce and payments. What are the terms of the deal? EBay shareholders will receive one PayPal share for every eBay share they own as of July 8. The board formally approved the split Friday, and said PayPal, like its parent, will trade on the Nasdaq stock market under the symbol “PYPL.” The plan is for the new PayPal shares will trade from about July 6 on a proforma basis, and then be formally issued to shareholders on July 17, and begin regular trading on July 20. No action is required by eBay’s stockholders in order to receive shares of PayPal common stock in the distribution. How will eBay and PayPal operate independently? EBay and PayPal will operate under a five-year agreement that will guarantee a reliable source of revenue for PayPal after the separation. Interestingly, under the agreement, PayPal can partner with competing retailers and other financial firms, and even tech companies looking at getting into payments, like Google and Apple. What happens to eBay’s other business units?  Over the past few months, eBay has been cleaning house. A couple of weeks ago, it sold its 28.4 percent stake in Craigslist back to the classified ads site, and settled all outstanding litigation. It also wants to sell off its eBay Enterprise unit, which helps other retailers with online sales. That division came about from the acquisition of GSI Commerce, which it bought for about $2.4 billion in 2011. According to several reports, eBay planned to find a buyer for that unit as soon as today. A sale could value the unit between $1 billion and $1.5 billion. Sounds like a silly question, but why was PayPal ever part of eBay? EBay, which acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion in 2002, originally pitched the deal as a way for eBay to boost PayPal transactions by driving buyers and sellers toward the payment service. But beyond that, there seemed to be few synergies. What will be the impact on competing e-commerce giants, like Amazon? To be sure, the separation of the two units could lead to a flurry of acquisitions, with many analysts already guessing who will buy whom. In Amazon’s worst-case scenario, if Alibaba acquired eBay and then implemented its business model here, that could get really interesting, said Scot Wingo, executive chairman of Channel Advisor, which helps retailers sell on various marketplaces. However, he acknowledges that risk maybe low, given that Alibaba’s CEO was just in the U.S. last month, saying he had no plans to compete with Amazon or eBay, or to buy eBay. Putting that aside, Wingo believes the spin-off is a positive event for Amazon: “eBay has been distracted for 12 months or so with everything…eBay has only three to four months to prepare for Holiday 2015 and their new strategy isn’t clear to buyers or sellers, so there’s high probability eBay won’t be able to get the rudder going the right way in 2015 while Amazon is going 100mph.” Sucharita Mulpuru-Kodali, a Forrester Research analyst tracking the retail sector, generally agreed. “eBay has sadly been tangential in the tech titan discussion for years and this split only marginalizes them more,” she said. “They are too big and too profitable to go away, but as a threat to Amazon? They haven’t been for years and aren’t now.” For instance, based on Forrester data, she said 39 percent of shoppers start their search on Amazon; 11 percent on search engines, like Google, and only 6 percent on eBay. Could Amazon adopt PayPal for payments? Yes. As mentioned above, PayPal will be free to work with other big marketplaces owned by eBay competitors, such as Amazon and Alibaba. The only caveat is that it would have to offer eBay the same rates it offers the competitors. Wingo said there’s been hints that a very big deal is in the works for PayPal after the split, but he sees Amazon as an unlikely candidate. “Amazon realizes that anyone could eventually acquire PayPal and they would have to take it off the site,” he said. How big is eBay on its own? eBay’s marketplaces business has seen revenue growth lagging behind PayPal. Still, at any given time, it has about 800 million live listings, 25 million active sellers and 157 million active buyers worldwide. About three out of every four items sold on eBay are new, and 80 percent of merchandise on eBay is sold at fixed price. In 2014, eBay’s marketplace revenue was $8.8 billion. How big is PayPal on its own? In 2014, PayPal processed $235 billion in payment volume across 165 million active customer accounts, and handled one billion mobile transactions. In 2014, the company reported a profit of $419 million on revenue of $8 billion. Who will be leading the two companies going forward? EBay will replace CEO John Donahoe with Devin Wenig, who joined eBay in 2011 as president of the global eBay Marketplaces business. Prior to eBay, he was CEO of Thomson Reuters Markets. PayPal will be led by Dan Schulman, who joined PayPal in 2014. He previously worked at American Express’ Enterprise Growth division, and before that, headed up Sprint’s prepaid division through the acquisition of Virgin Mobile. At the corporate level, Donahoe will leave eBay’s board and serve as the chairman of PayPal’s board of directors. Tricia Duryee is a Geek Wire staff reporter, a longtime technology journalist who covers beats including mobile devices, e-commerce, online payments, and video games. Follow her on Twitter @triciad and email her at

The question I now have is why the split? eBay had a Car Crash Dummy that would do what they were told. Taking monies from someone's account calling it a refund when the purchased item was not returned is criminal especially when eBay will not allow you to message or speak to them, supply evidence and facts to support the case. why monies can not be taken.

It is my opinion the eBay is violating Antitrust laws and knew was a matter of time before they were brought up on charges and by the parting of ways with PayPal is type of "getting in front of it" move.

Home › IMRG Blog ›  This is why eBay is dropping PayPal as their payments provider This is why eBay is dropping PayPal as their payments provider It is no secret at this point that eBay, one of the world’s largest online marketplaces, will be replacing PayPal as its main payments processing provider.  eBay had purchased PayPal back in 2002 and spun it off in 2015, but the two organizations had remained tightly linked, with PayPal continuing to process payments for eBay.  Now, this will change. With the rapid growth and acceptance around the world of PayPal as a strong ecommerce payment option and PayPal being the preferred payment method for most customers who buy and sell on eBay, many may be wondering why eBay would do this. There are several reasons why this move makes sense for the company, and they all come down to the three “Cs”:  customer (experience), control, and costs. Customer Experience While PayPal is convenient and used by many, ultimately customers want choice, and many want to be able to easily use their preferred local payment method.  And when customers can use the payment method they like and trust with ease, they tend to convert more. By replacing PayPal with a customized payment service, eBay will be able to provide a smooth checkout process customized for the local habits of buyers in all markets in which it operates. That will be a significant improvement for eBay users who are coming from many different countries and, therefore, have different habits and expectations with regards to payments. By taking ownership of the payment process, eBay will be better able to meet shoppers’ preferences and drive more business for the company as a result. Control As things currently stand, eBay users have to register with PayPal.  Once they do that, PayPal then allows customers to use their preferred local payment method – an extra step on the customers’ side.  The problem for eBay in this is that all of that happens on PayPal’s platform without the knowledge or control of eBay. By integrating a payment process into its own checkout, eBay will be able to control the entire process and gain valuable intelligence on the buyer’s choices and preferences.  This insight, in turn, could prove highly valuable for eBay as it could be used to add or improve services for both buyers and sellers alike.  Customer data, including on their preferences and behaviors, presents a wealth of opportunity for eBay. Control can extend even further, into eBay settling funds to sellers.  In our experience, we have heard a lot of discussion from retailers regarding issues with PayPal’s buyer protection and settlement process.  For example, as soon as a buyer disputes a purchase a retailer’s funds could be frozen for a very long period of time. I remember one of our customers who sells outdoor equipment complained about PayPal freezing all of their funds because it considered a Swiss army knife to be a weapon.  By moving away from PayPal, eBay will be able to shield their sellers from this kind of experience. Taking control over dispute management is an opportunity for eBay to improve the service for sellers and buyers. However, the dispute management also points at new risks that eBay will assume responsibility for, as well. While PayPal provides protection from fraudulent transactions, eBay will have to ensure a proper risk management to balance seller and buyer protection itself. To be better than an experienced global payment expert like PayPal might prove to be much harder than some people think. Costs As you can see, there are obvious advantages to replacing PayPal with a comprehensive payment solution. Beyond enhancing the customer experience and likely winning more business and controlling the process so it can better serve not only itself but buyers and sellers alike, eBay will also be able to build a business model out of the payment process. Since PayPal provides a global payment method it adds a lot of service and value which explains the high fees involved. The fees of local payment methods are typically much lower than PayPal’s. As a result, eBay will probably be able to provide lower payment fees to its sellers and still secure a margin for itself in the process given its large volume. eBay’s Future Replacing payment options is a normal process for international retailers. Now, implementing all the changes necessary will be a “multi-year journey” for eBay, as the company announced in its press release. The first signs of the new checkout should appear in the U.S. during the second half of 2018, but it will take until 2021 until the new payment process should be in place – this will not be an easy task for the company.  It has a significant challenge ahead that will bind many resources for several years as the company notes in its own press release. What About PayPal? So we have discussed the benefits – and potential challenges – to eBay of making this change, but how will this impact PayPal in the grand scheme of things?  First, PayPal is not going away on eBay.  It will still be one of many other payment options available on the site even after the changes are in place. In fact, many buyers might still prefer to use PayPal as it has emerged to be a very important payment method in ecommerce, right alongside Visa and MasterCard. For example, at Computop we can see PayPal processing a third of all payments in industries like fashion and shoes. Given that PayPal will still be a payment option available on eBay and that it is continuing to grow in online retail the future still looks bright for PayPal. What Does This Mean for the Future of Payments? PayPal’s expected bright future despite the shift at eBay shows us, among other things, that convenience and trust is still going to be key when it comes to retail payments.  Those payment brands that make things easy for customers and that they have confidence in will be the ones that help retailers win in the battle for conversions.  And those will include options like e-wallets from PayPal, AliPay, MasterPass and WeChat, as well as tried and true options like domestic credit cards. Beyond those, we are starting to see evidence of the rising popularity of bank accounts for ecommerce payments due to the introduction of Faster Payments in the U.S. and UK and Instant Payments in Europe. These make it much faster, easier and more convenient for customers to send money from account to account. Source: Keybridge Web Historically, in Europe, with 28 member states and just as many banking systems, it had been difficult, expensive and slow to transmit money between countries. However, with SEPA Instant Payments announced for 2018 it will be easy, fast and cost-effective to send money to any European account within 10 seconds, 365 days per year. As shown, convenience appeals to shoppers’ wants and needs.  In the not-too-distant future, this will be reinforced with innovations in the retail space.  We will be living in a world where our devices will process payments for us, and virtual and augmented reality will present new sales channels.  We’re already seeing user names and passwords being replaced with biometric authentication like fingerprints, face and voice recognition for payments.  For e-commerce, we won’t have to type in complex passwords on small touch screens anymore. Those payment options that support innovations like these and are easy, efficient and secure for shoppers will be the ones that will reign supreme moving forward.  Conclusion Retailers that offer payment options that take into account customer preferences, convenience and trust will be the winners.  To that end, the future looks promising for both eBay and PayPal, assuming eBay executes on this payments shift successfully.  As long as all parties keep shoppers and their desires top of mind, there is a bright light at the end of this long tunnel ahead. By: Ralf Gladis, CEO, Computop

It all boils down to control, eBay must have full and total control, as they do over the sellers. Right or wrong eBay is going to do whatever it wants. Yet in all the articles you read it talks about payment options. The new eBay managed payments that started going onto effect at the end of July 2020 stated prior that the sellers had a choice and did not have to go the new way but that was a bold face lie by eBay or was it? Here is your option, go with the new managed payments which eBay has 100% total control of or leave eBay, that is the option. You have no choices, you can not stay with PayPal, it is eBay or the highway.

Can you imagine the crap being pulled on sellers now through PayPal on fraudulent refunds and mail fraud by buyers what is going to happen when eBay does not have to go through someone else like PayPal and has free reign over your money.

eBay says the switch in managed payments will actually lower seller fee's but I say when it is all said and done the only change will be higher fee's. Below is an article from the New Yorker in 2014:

Currency Why eBay and PayPal Broke Up By Vauhini Vara October 1, 2014

In January, John Donahoe, the C.E.O. of eBay, declared that he and his company’s board were resoundingly opposed to the idea, floated by Carl Icahn, the activist investor, to spin off PayPal. The payments company benefitted from being part of eBay in at least three ways, he said: it signed up eBay buyers and sellers as customers without significant marketing costs; it used data about eBay transactions to improve its own products; and it used eBay’s capital for investments. “Separation may seem like a compelling concept at first blush, but when you separate two highly intertwined and highly performing businesses, it creates significant distraction and dyssynergias,” Donahoe concluded. Now, eight months later, eBay’s board, including Donahoe, has changed its mind. In a press release, eBay said that the board had reviewed the company’s options and concluded that, as independent companies, PayPal and eBay could each focus more on their individual goals and move more quickly; besides, the company said, eBay and PayPal are getting less important to each other over time. (Icahn wrote on Tuesday on his Web site, “We are happy that eBay’s board and management have acted responsibly concerning the separation—perhaps a little later than they should have, but earlier than we expected.”) The turnabout seemed jarring because Donahoe’s earlier comments against separation had seemed so emphatic. Then again, a lot has changed since January—especially over the past month. In September, Apple announced a new payment system called Apple Pay that will let people use their phones to pay for items in brick-and-mortar checkouts; Stripe, a privately held payment startup that competes with PayPal, was included on a list of early Apple partners, while PayPal wasn’t. Later in the month, Alibaba went public and reiterated its plans to expand more aggressively into the U.S. and Europe; this came after Stripe and Alibaba’s payment service, Alipay, struck a deal in June to let Chinese buyers use their Alipay accounts to pay for things using Stripe. Meanwhile, Google and Amazon are building up their own, older payment services, and other competitors, like Square, are edging into PayPal’s business. VIDEO FROM THE NEW YORKER A Farmworker Who Sees His Family Only Once a Year Max Levchin, who co-founded PayPal and has invested in Stripe, told me in an e-mail that he feels the spin-off is “a smart move.” He pointed out that the payments industry has changed rapidly over the past several years. “While eBay and PayPal together took advantage of some of those opportunities better than others, many niches were simply too hard to reach,” he said. First, startups like Stripe and Square impinged on PayPal’s business (as did Venmo and Braintree, which PayPal now owns); now, with bigger companies like Apple getting more aggressive, he said, “The competition from both startups and big companies is only going to get more intense.” The fact is, much of Donahoe’s early reasoning for keeping the companies together has become much less relevant. In the early years that eBay owned PayPal, eBay transactions still made up most of PayPal’s business, but by 2008 that figure had fallen to about fifty per cent, and today it stands at about thirty per cent. PayPal certainly still benefits from its eBay ties—as Donahoe emphasized back in January—but, in interviews with various press outlets on Tuesday, he added that the percentage of PayPal’s business from eBay is expected to drop below fifteen per cent in three years. This means that it's increasingly important for PayPal to focus on other sources of growth. That will surely include persuading other retailers to partner with it—perhaps Alibaba, for instance, as it continues its westward expansion. If merchants were wary of joining up with PayPal when it was part of eBay, a competitor, they might be more eager to work with PayPal as an independent company. PayPal, too, should be more able to aggressively pursue partnerships with companies that compete with eBay, without having to worry about the impact on eBay’s business. As Denee Carrington, an analyst at the research firm Forrester told me, “They can focus on doing what’s best for PayPal without being constrained by doing what’s best for eBay.”

Bottom line is no different than handling the bully in school. I one is not enough to stand in his way then the masses must come together. There is strength in numbers, for not even one man can walk through a sea of people unless that man is our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ himself. As it says in the bible, 3) "Thou shalt put no other god's before me"

5) "Thy shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them".

Lord eBay is a false god, and as PayPal bows down doing their bidding in the end the truth shall come into the light for all to see. As all things are seen at one point or the other the truth shall be known.


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